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American Legion Building Will Likely Be Torn Down

The River Edge Mayor and Council signed off on seeking estimates to teardown the American Legion building after an "inconclusive" environmental report.

With a 329-page document by Brinkerhoof Environmental Services providing an inconclusive report for the River Edge American Legion Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment, the governing body decided to move forward with seeking demolition estimates this week.

The environmental study was initially intended to determine if there is an underground oil tank on site along with any use of lead paint or asbestos inside the building. Brinkerhoof's research and their $2400 report resulted in finding no historical data to prove the existence of the three environmental concerns. Additional testing could be performed to determine the status of the three environmental concerns, although at this time it is not likely.

"We're billed $2,400 and it seems very vague for a report to not notice if there is asbestos inside or an underground tank," Councilman Paul Cordts said. "It seems excessive on price and vague on description. It just seems like Brinkerhoof is not coming to the table with a full report."

According to Councilman Edward Mignone, while the report did not determine the exact existence of asbestos, lead paint or an oil tank, the borough should assume that at least all three items do exist on the side due to the age of the building.

"Under the guidelines they did what they were supposed to do," Mignone said. "Bassed on the age of the building there is a strong likelihood of asbestos and lead paint. They should have at least stated some potential locations, but they followed the guidelines."

The Dutch Colonial-style building is approximately between 80 to 90 years old but is plagued with flooding and mold issues along with not being ADA compliant. An estimate received by architect Peter Pulice put renovation costs running between $300,000 to $1.3 million.

Mignone subsequently recommended that borough engineer Robert Costa draw up demolition specifications for removing the American Legion and include the estimated costs for removing any lead paint and asbestos.

And while the entire council is supportive of removing the detoriating building, Councilman Thomas Papaleo urged fiscal responsibility and to wait a year before spending any funding to remove the Legion.

"I just don't see how we could justify to the taxpayers to tear it down and create a slab," Papaleo said. "I don't understand why we're trying to tear down a building during this budget year and I don't think it's prudent to spend right now. The building could wait another year."

But waiting the additional year also has its drawbacks as the town needs to continue running electricity to the Legion so that the sump pumps continue to work. The basement is prone to flooding and without the heat and electricity running, the mold and deteroiation could be sped up.

"We can't just let the building sit there," Cordts said. "We're at the point where we either renovate or take it down."

Funding for the study and demolition, approximately $50,000, had previously been set aside in the capital budget for 2012. The first $10,000 of the budgeted amount is already available following the $2,400 payment to Brinkerhoof. The remaining $40,000 is part of a bond ordinance that would need final approval before it could become available.

In the end, the council overruled Papaleo's request to wait 5-0 and will now wait for specifications and cost estimates on the demolition.

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Dick Gozinia

7:14 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

why was this building purchased if it had so many problems?

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Dick Goesoutya

11:43 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

people buy buildings all the time in as is condition. that purchase was well worth it, you can kick it around all you like, there are times when it is prudent to preserve your open space, especially in the center of town. I'm sure every visionary who was ever told that something was a bad idea listened to those naysayers, we wouldn't have half the great inventions or places that exist today. stop your bellyaching and move on, old news and we could use new ideas not chronic "we shoulda "....

njdelta

11:10 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Great question. Also, shouldn't a "government" have to put forth a detailed plan BEFORE they buy it...WITH 1 time costs and ONGOING costs projected...if they are to purchase a building, upgrade it, then maintain it? Not do all this after a purchase.

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Eamon Harbord

11:14 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Hi Dick,

When the town bought the building it was purchased "as is" so no study was done at the time to determine the status and what if any work would be needed to make it usable.

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Alphonse Bartelloni

11:30 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

NJDelta those are all excellent points. I just want to be clear, the Council members who voted to purchase the building are no longer on the Council. No one presently on the Council was a member of the Council at the time the building was purchased.

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Dick Goesoutya

11:12 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

"Read my lips.....I want to be CLEAR, Crystal CLEAR, that I had nothing, no way shape or form, the foresight, to even imagine the potential of developing this parcel of land for future generations to come...." maybe a Hooter's would be considered here? I love their wings.

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RE-SOHO

11:35 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

So are you saying that you believe that those former council members were wrong in their decisions and that you believe that they failed in their requirement to conduct due diligence prior to spending the taxpayers money. And that you futher question, "What were you guys and girls thinking when you did this?"

GGT

11:44 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

It was purchased because clueless people made a clueless decision,

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JR.

12:34 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

It's unfortunate how poorly run the River Edge council makes decisions, how about some good news for the residents maybe .... Lowering tax rate and stop spending our tax payer dollars....

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NO TO TAX HIKE

1:02 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Are we sure it was clueless decison by the clueless people? Any capital investment in the future has to be scrutinized with public eyes more than 10 in RE. There could be some economic interest behind those past senseless decision(s). We are so much indebted now as a borough because of those incredible desicions in the past. We need enhanced level of scrutiny.

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GGT

2:44 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

JR/NoTaxhike: Clueless decisions by clueless elected officials coupled with massive referendums voted for by clueless residents, cheered on in many instances by clueless elected officials, have RE in the sad financial condition it is in today.

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Dick Goesoutya

11:33 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Isn't this the part where you get up on your soapbox and rant and rave about the money spent to expand the high school and the new bridge center? Don't waste the opportunity to mention that again, it never gets old!

njdelta

3:02 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Understood Alphonse comment. Absolutely know that past Democratic controlled councils voted that purchase. NO TO TAX HIKE...I agree. Look at how much our debt our town has...as well as our county (who we pay a lot of tax too). I think on a county level our debt service...to pay the loans...is $50-75million a year. Debt total is well north of $500,000,000. Insane.

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RE-SOHO

5:37 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Sell the Legion property; sell the little useless park next to Ideal (hard to get to, and once you walk three paces into it you cannot go any further; sell the vacant lot next to Cherry Hill School. This is not needed, there is another park 200 feet away, next to the ball field. This parcel should never have been purchased..

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Dick Goesoutya

11:38 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

do your homework, that "park" next to the gas station sits on top of a paper street, so it cannot be sold. maybe everything in town should be sold, that might make you happy. who would you suggest selling it to? there must be lots of people with fistfulls of cash ready to scoop up all RE land and parks. Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, if you are reading this, please contact RE officials, the whole town is on the market.

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Dick Goesoutya

12:30 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

I believe the former mayor had the great idea of selling the tiny plot of land next to Cherry Hill school to some developer and turn it into 30 apartments for senior citizens. Great idea, in between a busy school and a day care center.

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RE-SOHO

11:54 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

Again, on the property next to Cherry Hill School, don't you agree that the former councilwoman that pushed for this purchase did not stop long enough to conduct a due diligence review of the property. Why didn't you tell them where they were going wrong. Look how much you would have single handedly saved the town.

GGT

9:13 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

Hey Dick: When you are spending other people's money as in the tax payers money, you should not be buying property in "as is condition". If you want to be reckless with your own money fine, but you should not be advocating recklessness with other peoples money.

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Dick Goesoutya

10:49 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

how about spending $2500 for an enviornmental study that is basically useless?
The entire world is in debt.
The USA is in debt.
NJ is in debt.
Bergen Cnty is in debt
RE is in debt
People are in debt.
Where would you like to start eliminating debt?

GGT

9:18 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

Dick: I wont get up on my soap box. But something is wrong when you go form one of the lowest taxed towns in the county to one of the highest, and that is a fact. No, no soap box, just waiting another another year until my last child graduates from RD, and then I am out of here. The town is rapidly on the way down. And that Dick, is another fact.

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Dick Goesoutya

10:50 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

bye, sorry to see you go, sniff, sniff.

njdelta

10:14 am on Friday, August 10, 2012

Sounds like Dick is part of the problem. He doesn't want any professional or responsible thinking to go into town decisions. Interesting he doesn't answer or address the important question being put forth here.

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NO TO TAX HIKE

12:07 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

Just curious. What's the plan after tearing it down? Do they have any vision? I suggest we don't sell the land when the market is not favorable. On debt, have they ever pursued to lower the interest payment. Does anybody know if it can be re-financed or any swap arrangement possible.

Guys, I heard some schools rent the buildings and facilities out to expats schools on Weekends and earn some money for that. Can they do that at RD? RE must earn money and stop the senseless spending.

The biggest problem, I see, is the competency of the RE leadership in the past. Don't know very well the current leadership, yet.

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GGT

12:42 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

Dick: Well at least I can go. But you see there are too many clueless residents in town, like yourself. Furthermore you are clueless, and ignorant; a very bad combination.

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Dick Goesoutya

2:56 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

No need for the "comma" after clueless, improper usage. Will be a sad day in RE when a "super brain" such as yourself heads south. At least the people on the North Carolina Patch will have your rage and fury to keep them amused. Let us know when the garage sale is, will be happy to contribute.

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RE-SOHO

11:44 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

Dick have you always been so Oradellian? I don't know you, but in reading your rants, it seems that you just cannot have an adult conversation. Are you a founding town father or something?

GGT

3:14 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

It was done for effect nothing more. And I am not hedaing south. You shoudl nto be ignorant, or make assumptions. I am not retiring, Simply leaving a town, that has seen better days. Those of us who choose to be informed, can clearly see that is the case.

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Gregg Cariddi

4:43 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

I agree that something has to be done with the Legion Building. How we're going to pay for it's demolition or re-conditioning is another topic. For those on this blog that cry about the taxes in River Edge, well perhaps you should move out of NE NJ, or all of NJ for that matter. This years Borough budget is probably one of the tighest budgets ever completed. All Borough departments are at their minimum for spending and the capital improvement/purchases were approved only after careful consideration by the council and the citizens budget committee.

EVERY town has debt and it will never stop. As long as the debt is controlled, then we should all be happy. The bonding rates are at an all time low. As stated in previous bolgs, you want to scream about spending - then attend a BOE meeting.

I attended some of the budget meetings that begin in November and continue through at least March. The attendence was pitiful. The public attendance at council meetings is also pretty sad. If you want to cry, then start coming to these PUBLIC budget meetings and council meetings. Make a difference! Get involved! Become part of the solution! Otherwise zip it!

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RE-SOHO

11:41 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

Dear Gregg, this is still America and to date you have not earned the right to tell anyone to zip it. We can complain if we see something going on that we donot agree with. It only seems like it was only last October, that you were sending out emails to everyone you could complaining about the same type of issues. What has changed in a few months, Hmmmmmm. Well since I have more time on my hands, maybe I will stop by and see how they are running the town. BUT remember, be careful for what you wish for, or challenge people on. The Club may not like the results.

Dick Goesoutya

5:20 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

Good points, GC. The real story is why these numbskulls paid $2400 for an entirely useless study. Now they are going to pay the borough engineer God Knows What for another "study" and he doesn't come cheap. Wasteful and unnecessary, spending our hard earned tax payer dollars!!

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NO TO TAX HIKE

6:07 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

GC: You must be somebody who have enough spare time to attend those BOE and other meetings. That's luxury in these days. Well, I wish I could, too, but I am a hard-working man having little time, yet, contributing a lot of tax money to RE, and get very little out of it. Don't tell anybody to shut up, as the people's freedom of speech is guaranteed in this country, and people select the leaders through voting in election; yet, I am saying they are not doing their jobs right. Let me tell you what can make a difference. Guys working in public sector only think about spending. Earn money! People need to think about how RE infrastructures can contribute to produce income, That's one. Also, think out of the box. Perhaps RE is too small as a local governmental unit. WHy not merge with Oradell and stop the useless discussion about who pays how much for the RD. if we merge, we need only one fire Chief, police Chief, one Mayor and fewer council people, fewer office staff and perhaps convert one of the libraries to internet Cafe! Be creative and don't tell others to shut up!

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Mike

7:14 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012

I log in to see some interesting discourse and instead I am greeted with, sorry, total bullshit. Dick who? South Carolina what? $2,400 study? Public sector only spends? Numbskulls? One must attend BOE meetings to be relevant? Zip it? .....

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GGT

10:34 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012

Gregg: It is obnoxious and arrogan to tell people to zip it. Plus it is also ignorant to tell people if they do not like it they should move.River Edge had one of the lowest propoerty taxes in Bergen CO and now has one of the highest. We are well aware that taxes are high in this part of the country especially so in NJ. The fact is that even within NJ there are better run towns with good schools that have substanially lower taxes than River Edge. The fact also is that a big factor in the large tax burden in town is because of massive referendum spending, that was voter approved. This with the assumption that the pie in the sky redevelopment would pay for it all. This was encouraged by past elected officials including BOE members of course. Now many of the same residents who wanted to spend, spend spend, are now crying about high taxes, and blaming current elected officials. Don't lecture about atttending meetings. There was a small minority of us who attended many meetings over the years and urged caution. only to be shouted down by residents who cheerleaded the massive spending, suppported in most cases by elected officials at the time. We gave up in t and now stay home. Current elected council members especially Mr. Bartellonni at least have the courage to admit the town has serious problems, and takes the time to post here with honest comments. Mr. Carriddi save your lectures for your children.

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VietNam Vet

11:45 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

It just sounds like the town and the council just wants the building down for some reason. Maybe for town offices to be built there or a shopping center, anything to get more in taxes.

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GGT

9:47 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Paul: Yet another dumb comment. To rehabilitate the building would cost anywhere from 500k to one million dollars. Money the town simply does not have. Secondly the piece of property where the building sits is not big enough for a shopping center!! Think about it a shopping center!!! We cannot fill all the vacant commercial space in town now, who is going to build a shopping center!!! And town offices? What exactly is that. And again the property is not big enough. The current council is simply trying to correct a stupid mistake made by the past council.

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